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Depressionista? I Object!

By: Yuli (1870)  |  12/12/2008 05:45 PM
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Depressionista? I Object!
Depressionista? I Object!

I've never before voiced my opinions on fellow bloggers' posts. We all of course are entitled to our own opinions and views—that is until they become harmful to society. The term depressionista, coined by The Budget Fashionista, Kathryn Finney, in her recent article sounded more like a grossly irresponsible statement rather than clever copy writing. Despite the catchy name, we're not in a depression until the government or our economists say so.


In economics, a depression is a sustained, long downturn in one or more economies. It is more severe than a recession, which is seen as a normal downturn in the business cycle… A sustained recessionary period in which the population is forced to dispose of tangible assets to fund every day living, as was seen in the US and in Germany in the 1930s. (Wikipedia)


Even though most of us (especially in media) happen to be broke, we are still far from the bleak lugubriousness that characterized the Great Depression. As if traditional media hadn't already made enough effort to create panic among consumers, throwing around terms like "depressionista" only perpetuates fear and pessimism.  I see us--independent media publishers and bloggers—as having the same responsibilities towards the masses we influence with our writings as our traditional counterparts. Words such as "depression" don't add much value to our readers, although they definitely might help Wal-Mart's bottom line this season.

This brings me to my first question: why would a blogger/reporter/publisher openly endorse one retailer over another? Sure, we all have our favorite stores (mine happen to be Net-a-Porter, although I have never able to afford a single purchase there), but it certainly wouldn't be ethical to endorse Net-A-Porter as the only online designer shopping destination. This is where we draw the line between advertorial and editorial content.  To maintain integrity, advertorial content should be compensated and clearly labeled as such.

The next claim, stating that Wal-Mart is a more fashionable destination while comparing it to Target, which "was still pushing Proenza Schouler to folks who frankly didn't care" is going too far. First off, Target ignited a veritable revolution when they created their "GO International Program" which brought on high-end designers to create capsule diffusion lines for the retail giant.  Secondly, the idea that Target customers "didn't care" is patently wrong and misleading.  Target's Proenza Schouler line famously sold out nearly as soon as it hit store racks.

Coming from a "budget fashionista," it doesn't seem to make much sense to criticize a store for making high-end brands available at mass-market prices while in the same breath suggesting that someone like Marc Jacobs to create a Wal-Mart line.  The last thing a working mom shopping at Wal-Mart needs is an asymmetric ruffled dress or a pair of harem pants.

Lastly, I would like to call my fellow bloggers to take a bit more responsibility for the words we put out there so easily these days. Many times we don't realize how much power we have in setting trends and shaping opinions. Replacing the term "recession" with "depression" and openly endorsing Wal-Mart, Kmart or whoever it might be doesn't add much to our collective integrity. 

As for the economy – I like the statement of John D. Rockefeller during the Great Depression: "These are days when many are discouraged. In the 93 years of my life, depressions have come and gone. Prosperity has always returned and will again."




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Comments (14)
Great analysis Yuli. I was hoping all this fear mongering about "depression" was over with the election, but seems it's been resurrected to get people to shop a Wal-Mart...I totally agree that it is incredibly irresponsible to just "throw around" terms like "depressionista" (which means what?) when we are clearly NOT in a depression. Yes, the US economy may, in fact, eventually reach depression, but only after real GDP declines at least 10% - and according to several economic sources, that is highly unlikely to happen in 2009. We are clearly not there yet, in fact, in the second quarter 2008, real GDP increased by 2.8% (http://economics.about.com/od/recessions/a/2009_depression.htm). Anyway, "depression" is an economic term, and it should be used respectfully and when necessary, not to create a name for oneself, or to promote shopping at a particular store. But with journalists and politicians throwing "recession" and "depression" around like they're the new buzzwords, this hardly surprises me...it's just a shame to see it used in this way by someone who is respected in the online fashion/blogging community. Thanks for starting this dialogue...
Comment by: grechen @ 12/12/2008, 06:28:25 PM
Thank you for adding these important facts to my point, Grechen. I agree, if this wasn't someone as influential as The Budget Fashionista - I wouldn't care as much.
Comment by: Yuli @ 12/12/2008, 06:37:58 PM
Amen! You touched on great points and facts!
Comment by: RochellStylist @ 12/13/2008, 12:59:25 AM
i agree yuli - great post!! let's not kid ourselves, so much of what is posted on fashion blogs as actual articles is just that, advertorial. i challenge you to send a press release to shefinds - you know what they'll send you back - a full media kit with all of their ad rates. and within those ad rates - ways that you can buy "sponsored posts" that are by no means marked as sponsored. so the truth of the matter is that almost all of the big fashion blogs have sold out completely. shefinds is not alone in this. i think it's ok to do unmarked advertorial if you do really like the product yourself but otherwise you end up with watered down sites like the budget fashionista and shefinds - raking in tons of cash and really giving blogging a bad name. it's ok to make money from your blog - but just don't put crap out there b/c someone is willing to pay you to write it. i like the term recessionista, it's cute and timely. but you're right depressionista - a bit ridiculous. i think it's a good time to be tightening our purse strings a bit b/c things are a bit dire out there - there were a heck of a lot of layoffs in november for example. but the news media is making things much worse than they are. it's amazing the impact they have and their scare tactics are phenomenal. anywhoo that's my rant!!
Comment by: sarah789 @ 12/13/2008, 12:59:26 AM
thank you so much for your feedback, ladies. glad to know it resonates with your opinions. Sarah, I agree regarding advertorials - transparency should be #1 blogger rule. There is nothing wrong with making money, but misleading readers just harms all of us, as bloggers. I don't want to start pointing fingers at anyone, but rather promote certain standards. I'm formalizing some thoughts on this for a while already and hope to post more on the subject soon.
Comment by: Yuli @ 12/13/2008, 01:18:48 AM
Responsibility goes both ways. It's frankly irresponsible to write a post making a very strong and potentially damaging accusation, without even taking a moment to gather the facts. Before jumping on me and assuming it was a paid post, the responsible thing for you to do would have been to give me the professional courtesy of asking me if it was a sponsored post. If you would have, and I'm known for my honesty, I would have told you the answer is a clear "NO". In fact, if you search the archives of TBF, you will see I've been both a fan and critic of Wal-Mart (and Target) for years. This is nothing new. Neither is the hatred, many times justifiable, towards Wal-Mat. As I've said before, Target is really no better. Just has better advertisement. I find it amazing that I write something in defense of Wal-Mart, a store that everyone loves to hate because frankly it has horrible branding and poor business social skills, and it's called a sponsored post, yet no one says anything regarding the numerous posts I've written praising Target, Gap, Old Navy, etc. What about the Salvation Army, which has a whole section in my book. I guess they're collecting that change to pay for that "sponsored" section. Using that same sort of circular logic, I am to assume that the posts you've written about Bendels were sponsored posts? Or your posts about Te Casan? What about your relationship with AMEX during fashion week? Or because you say we're not heading towards a depression, means that you're an elitist? Also, if you read my comments- in which the commenter grechen also posted a comment- I supplied a large number of facts and cited sources to support my argument and challenged her (and now you) to provide the same number of recent facts to support your arguments. I will even take it one step further and, for a lack of a better word, challenge you to a public debate on this topic, whether Wal-Mart is the new "in" thing, as I think it would be an excellent discussion regarding consumerism and impact of our challenging economy has on us as a consumers. We could set it up as a forum, invite fellow bloggers, readers, etc and video tape it.
Comment by: Budgetfashionista @ 12/13/2008, 08:20:28 AM
well can you understand why people might question some of the bigger fashion blogs? do you do advertorial that is not marked as such? my understanding is that you do. how about a debate about what is ethical and the importance of transparency in the blogosphere (ie. marking things that were paid for as paid). as well do consider the somewhat gray area of indirect advertising - ie. writing many articles (unpaid) on brands that do advertise on your site. this practice is extremely popular not only on blogs, but also in magazines and newspapers. on one side it's understandable, but also not completely fair to those who do have a great or innovative product but not a huge advertising budget!
Comment by: sarah789 @ 12/13/2008, 01:30:08 PM
Kathryn, I suggest we leave the depression vs. recession discussion to the economists. I don't think it's up to you or me to decide and mislead our readers. There will be always demand for budget fashion and there is no need to declare depression in support of your vision. I never accused you of getting paid by WalMart, in fact I appreciate you and your integrity as a blogger, and only questioned the tone of your post, which sounds very advertorial-like to me. To explain my point I mentioned that advertorial content should be labeled as such. There is a difference between posting a sale alert for specific retailer and declaring Saks death and victory of Walmart on all retailers, and proving it with bullet points. Most of the content you read on MyItThings.com is contributed by users, we are a user-generated fashion magazine, therefore you cannot hold me responsible for other people opinions (i.e. Bendel post). Our users aren't getting paid, they contribute to the site because it's their passion, and our sponsored content is always clearly labeled as such. I would love to take you upon the public debate offer, because I believe it's an important subject that would interest many bloggers. In fact, we can make it part of our January Fashion 2.0 meetup (http://fashion.meetup.com/310), which already includes a large group of NYC online fashion community. We can setup a live video stream and invite people online to participate. I'm looking forward to your response, feel free to email me yuli (at) myitthings.com.
Comment by: Yuli @ 12/13/2008, 02:18:38 PM
@sarah789, ethics and transparency in the blogosphere is an excellent topic to address...Most visitors to larger fashion blogs are not aware that there IS pay-for-play going on (did you know that stylebakery's designers on the rise is a paid advertisement?), and that some information is kept from them if it doesn't involve an affiliate or a paid advertiser. I have always been of the mind that advertisements and editorials should be completely separate, and it should be obvious which is which. I do also agree that there is a huge gray area, especially when it comes to affiliate marketing. I personally, never accept payment for writing an article about a designer or boutique, but if I happen to be writing something about a piece I like at shopbop, or a new designer at revolve, I'm going to use my affiliate link. But I'm also speaking personally about the boutique or designer - I only write about what I love, and/or what I have experience with; my visitors know that, and they respect my editorial integrity. "Advertorials" and "sponsored posts" have been a thorn in my side for years. I decided when I started that my integrity was paramount, and that I would never accept payment for posts or newsletters, nor would I withhold information from my visitors because I'm not getting a cut - I promote more independent designers and boutiques (who don't pay me) than all my affiliates combined... Anyway, I could go on forever, but I think it's great to continue the dialogue on this.
Comment by: grechen @ 12/13/2008, 02:39:57 PM
Quote Budgetfashionista [Or because you say we're not heading towards a depression, means that you're an elitist? Also, if you read my comments- in which the commenter grechen also posted a comment- I supplied a large number of facts and cited sources to support my argument and challenged her (and now you) to provide the same number of recent facts to support your arguments.] If you check your Krugman link - http://www.nytimes.com/2008/11/14/opinion/14krugman.html?_r=2&scp=2&sq=depression&st=cse and read it you'll see that Krugman, although published a book named "The Return of Depression Economics " doesn't believe we're going towards a depression and is quite sure we are not going to even hit the 1982 unemployment lows. [The economic news, in case you haven’t noticed, keeps getting worse. Bad as it is, however, I don’t expect another Great Depression. In fact, we probably won’t see the unemployment rate match its post-Depression peak of 10.7 percent, reached in 1982 (although I wish I was sure about that).] Most economists now believes (as Krugman wrote on the other post of his you referred too) that the economy was possibly heading towards a second great depression but the stimulus plans and bailouts will stir us away from such economical path.
Comment by: Pta33 @ 12/13/2008, 04:18:28 PM
@Pta33 - I tend to agree and appreciate your research on this! Not to get all political, but feeling so thankful Obama will be taking office in January and that he has a plan to put people back to work! For those of us who love shopping and spending this has all been a good wake-up call. Do as Suze Orman and many others suggest and have 6 months - preferably a year's cushion saved in the bank. Especially if you are freelance! We still don't know just where the economy is going - and even if we have sunny times ahead, let's all be smart fashionistas and keep some money in the bank!
Comment by: sarah789 @ 12/13/2008, 05:54:16 PM
Bravo Yuli! I agree with your fully with your comments. Let's not scare people with the Drepression/ depressionista term. This hasn't happened yet, and Walmart is not the EXCLUSIVE answer. The answer is for consumers to look around and compare prices and make good choices! And I love your quoting JD Rockefeller, the downturn won't last forever --let's try to stay positive sis-tahs!
Comment by: mhall @ 12/14/2008, 04:25:58 PM
I never heard of the budget fashionista until this. I just read the posting via the link here. I have to tell you, reading it made me feel bullied.
Comment by: Randall @ 12/14/2008, 05:12:58 PM
Excellent! I dislike when consumers and media are so quick to say that we are now in a "depression" and that "depression" neccessarily has to be a bad thing. Depression may refer to an economic depression, yet hard times is what challenges artists to produce their best work! Artists are moved by emotion, beauty, trial, and strength. and I completely agree that target made a HUGE breakthrough with targeting the budget fashionista consumer through sponsoring designer collections - Look at H&M and Roberto Cavalli, H&M and Madonna. Target created a popular trend in the market today. And its ingenius companies like these that will surely keep our consumers consuming :)
Comment by: ashes09 @ 12/21/2008, 03:08:27 PM

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